Faith/Life Podcast Episode #44 - How Should a Christian handle Conflict?

Welcome to Episode 44 of the Faith/Life Podcast by Discovery Fellowship Church. In this episode, Pastor Nathan and special guest Alexis Webb discuss the topic of handling interpersonal conflict and relationships within and outside the church. 

Join us as we explore how Christians can navigate conflicts, whether it's with another believer or when dealing with someone's sin. Discover practical advice on responding to conflicts within the church and the importance of addressing issues directly and not letting them fester. Learn about the significance of humility, using words wisely, and seeking resolution through open and loving communication. When conflicts persist, find out the steps to take, including seeking counsel from neutral parties and involving others in the church community. Through prayer and forgiveness, we can strive for resolution and growth in our relationships. 

Join us as we delve into this important topic and gain insights that can transform the way we handle conflicts in our lives. And don't miss our special segment where we live react to lists generated by ChatGPT! This week we ask, "What are the Top 10 80's songs that would be used as theme songs of famous Bible stories?". 

Transcript

Well, good afternoon. Good evening and good night. No matter what time it is, wherever you're listening. Thank you so much for downloading the Faith Life podcast of Discovery Fellowship Church. I am your host, Pastor Nathan and here not with my normal co-host, Pastor Matt, but instead again, we have the lovely Alexis Webb, my beautiful wife, joining us on the podcast. Hello, Alex. Hey, guys. How's it going? So, as always, if you haven't done so already, please take a minute. Leave us a five star review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you have downloaded this. And if you've watched us on YouTube, now that we're on the YouTube podcast feed especially, leave us a comment or like there, let us know that you watched us on that. Now, as we jump in today, as we as you've seen already. Matt is gone. He's on vacation right now. But I'm joined, as we showed with my beautiful wife, Alexis. He's going to keep on going back to you. I don't know. So let's. How are you doing today? It's been a long week, right? I'm good. It's been a long week. I've gotten quite a bit of work done, which always feels good and accomplished and yeah, relationally and emotionally. An interesting and long week, but I think that'll fit perfectly into what we're talking about today. So glad to be here. Awesome. Well, before we jump into our main topic, we're going to go into our news again. Just as a reminder, this is episode 44 of the Faith Life podcast. We've made it 44 episodes, which I think is really exciting. Yeah. As a reminder, we do have a special guest coming up on episode 50. We are still working out. I think we've got all the final details kind of set, just getting a couple little things. I guess those are still details, but we'll let you know who that special guest is so that you can write in with questions that you might have for him. The email address for that will be podcast at of church dot com. Again, you can email podcast at Dave Church dot com with all your questions, thoughts, anything you'd like to let us know, but as we jump in. All right. A couple of things in the news, Alexis. Did you hear about this roller coaster and where was that roller coaster? It's called the Fury. Three, two, three, two, five. And it was on the news last week because somebody who was watching it and they were like filming their kid on their. One of the support beams like cracked while they were watching people on the rollercoaster. It was like swaying. I think I did read that. But I also got caught on fury 3 to 5. That's what you call me in the morning when I haven't had my coffee yet. Fury 3 to 5. Let's go. Yeah, no, I think I did read about that. And then what was the other one? There's been a couple roll over Dollar City. Oh, they had something else last month where they didn't. They had several safety inspections. Not pass or something. Wow. Fact check me on that. Yeah, but something happened at Silver Dollar. Okay, well, this is in Charlotte, North Carolina, where this roller coaster, it's a very fast, very high roller coaster. And you can see one of the the support beams is like cracked and moving in the video. I don't know if you've seen that video, but it's terrifying. I mean, it's a fast way to me. Jesus Christ, I said I did see this other video, maybe because I was watching videos about this and this was actually, I guess from like 2017. So it's not recent, but it was a fair like some county fair and it was this big ride that's like spinning, you know. Yeah. And it was spinning people while it, like, did a pendulum said they were spinning like a while it did like a pendulum started to kind of break off and a huge chunk of it flew off. Yeah, people on it. So there's like a whole I think somebody died on that one. Oh, that's not good. There's a whole set of videos that you can get stuck on TikTok of all like the carnival fare type rides that just fail. It's actually pretty horrifying. I think the moral of the story is we don't go on carnival rides like go like even amusement park. So it seems like maybe we don't this is not I don't know, not where I'd like to go. Well, even Disney Thunder Mountain and I think it was early 2000s. And of course, it's been revamped since this incident occurred. But even your really big theme parks, you got to be careful. It's a risk every time. Well, the other news thing that I wanted to look at today, because amusement parks being just terrible is just terrifying Anyway, the other thing I wanted to talk about this is more for this interest me I guess a lot to air pieces of news and that so of course so the first one is that open air is making for generally available now that means the newest one that you currently have to pay for their opening up some of the access to that probably because five is on its way even that fast. And so this is the one you want. Yeah, this is what we wanted sponsors for. And so if we don't have sponsors for it, that's okay. Maybe if it becomes open to the point that we can use it. So I'm still that one was brand new. I'm still investigating what that's going to look like, but it's going to be hopefully something we can use. But conversely, here's the other news story about air. For the first time, Chad Gbtc is losing users. Really? Yeah. Traffic fell 9.7% in June. Now, this is what's interesting. It's not booming anymore, is it? Because of like an accuracy? So here's one of the things that people are saying. Maybe summer vacation. So they don't need to use a robot because they write their essays and stuff. Oh no. Significant portions of students are using chatbots to do homework. Is new news with them uses. He found queries for saying look chatbot as a chatbot math and chatbot history. Now what's. Interesting is if you are you, there are probably legitimate ways that you could use that as just a research tool like you're using it to. Like, I don't understand how to do this math problem. Can you explain how to do it? That's you were a very honest student. Yes. You could use it that way. You know, the biggest thing we had an issue with in school, I mean, I can't imagine being a student nowadays and having available to you what you have The teachers could tell if you used spark notes. Oh, really? Like English or like essays? They could. I don't know how they knew how, but this is so much more than that. Like, I mean, can they tell when something's been run through? I. Yes. So they they have, they have made ways to give it like a digital footprint. Yeah. So that you can, you can look and figure out. But what's really funny is that it's like it's like an arms race, because what happens is they built tools that can detect that A.I. So then other A.I. creators create a tool that you can then take it, run it through it a second time, and it'll rewrite it, but be less detectable to air detectors. So other creators or I hey, I can just fight back. I will. So last thing I'll say then, I don't know if we've mentioned this, this was the craziest or it was on chat DVD for. And one of the things that you can do with the newer iteration is you can give it a bigger task and say, just go do that. And it will start telling it, like prompting itself until it can figure out how to do what you've asked it to do. So it can start like running in the background. I was like an agent until it gets done. Now this is where it gets crazy. So scary. They they were having to do something where it needed to get to a website and the website did one of those like confirm you're not a robot thing and nothing stopped it It couldn't get past that they. I could. Yeah, I couldn't. Huh. So what it did instead is it went on to a website, I think it's called TaskRabbit, where you can hire humans to do little things that you need them to do. Oh, I've heard of TaskRabbit. Yeah. So it went out on its own, hired a person to go do that, check for it so that it could get past that part of the website. And the person asked them, Are you like an A.I. or something? And it said, No, I just have poor vision, so I need help doing this part so it knows how to lie. How do I know? Good, bad. Not so can I. Can I tell them my thing about? What's your thing about? Okay. I've said it a couple of times on the podcast before. I will share it again. I have a theory. It's not really a theory. I just think God created us in his image and we, in turn, in a roundabout way, created A.I. in our image. And it's just fun to laugh at how dumb AI is most of the time. Whenever you use that analogy, Alexis, I think of the movie Clerks too, you know, not it not necessarily an appropriate movie. I'm not condoning you. Go watch the movie, although you can hundred percent don't watch it. But there's this character who's like a super nerdy kid and he's like, It's Transformers. Yeah, it's Transformers. He's like, God created man in his image and man created Transformers. So Transformers are a gift from God. Oh, goodness. It's funny. Well, with that. So yeah, we created in our image and it's going really well. It is going really well. I think it's well, there's a lot of good things that can be done with it, especially when we get to our air segment at the end of today's podcast. You're not going to want to miss it. It's it makes me laugh. It's humorous. So let's go to our main topic, Alexis. Get into it. We are going to be talking about what how we handle, like interpersonal conflict and relationships both within and without without inside and outside of the church. Gotcha. Right. So what does it look like? Like as a Christian, when we have a problem with somebody else, we have a problem and maybe we can even subdivided a little bit more if there's a problem with another person versus if we notice somebody else sinning. And what do we do? Because sometimes those are going to be where conflict can kind of rise up. So what in terms of internally in the church? You have a conflict with somebody, Alexis? What what do you do? What should be our response to conflict? Yeah, I think maybe break it down a little bit first because you asked a couple different questions, right? I did. Okay. So so which one should we tackle first? I would say, well, I mean, the first one, I think is just the like you and somebody else are not getting along for some reason in the church, you and another person, another believer are struggling. There's there's some sort of a conflict between the two of you might be over something wrong or it might be just difference of opinion on something. Hmm. Yeah. I think where I got stuck was you mentioned when you see a brother or sister or someone else sitting and that's I think that's different. Right. Let's not go on the same one. Yeah, let's just say conflict. So. Yeah. I think this is good advice probably for any human, whether you're Christian yet or not. Take it directly to the person. And it's it's really easy to say that. But I've been challenged in my life, you know, recently lately with that, you know, you can know the right thing to do, but then actually putting it into practice can be a lot harder. And I think it stems from a deeper issue with probably just our culture in general, where we just want to keep things nice, nice and neat and tidy and not have to say hard things, right? Um, not have to go very deep in our relationships. I think there is also an element of if we keep things surface easy, there will never be conflict. Interesting. So yeah, if we have an issue, ideally we don't always get it right. Praise Jesus. He corrects us lovingly as a good father does. But we should take that issue directly to them. And the added part to that, Nathan, is quickly, don't let things sit. Assuming it'll work itself out. These are life lessons I've gone through recently that I'm sharing from my heart and experience. Well, and I think part of it is and maybe this is why I was thinking of like the sin issue component, because I think what you're saying, like if there's if there's conflict between you and somebody else, go to that person, go to them quickly, because if you don't, what tends to happen will be gossip. If you go to other people about that conflict, now it's become gossip, which now is a sin issue, or it's become bitterness and unforgiveness, which is also now a sin issue. And so something that started out as a non sin issue, just a difference or a conflict has now become something much worse because it wasn't handled properly to begin with. Yeah, and it's challenging. I mean, no one wants to have uncomfortable conversations, but if it if it leads to life and that relationship being able to flourish and be healthy, it's worth it. Right. Well, so what I guess, do you have any thoughts on like like you said most. I think you're right. I think it's really hard to go sit down and be real with somebody and to talk to somebody and to say, like, I have a problem with you right now. Right. Right. That's very confrontational. So the other thing that's I think maybe so tough about that is that when our human nature is going to be, when we come up and say, I've got an issue, almost inevitably the person's response is going to be defensive. And so that's that's not going to really help. Heal that conflict if immediately it's like an attack on the defense. Now we're just drawing sides and we're going to entrench further into our rights. So how do you. Do you have any thoughts or advice on approaching somebody and not creating that tension? It's funny you mention that. I was just talking to our daughter Elliot about this this week where and I've talked to all of our kiddos. You can use your words. Words are powerful and they ought to be meaningful, right? So use your words in such a way that it's softened and kind and from the heart. So having to go into a difficult situation, it could look like, hey, did you mean this when you said this? I would love to be able to talk to you more about that. I want to make sure we're on the same page, though, so let me know when you're ready to talk. That's way more gracious. I think if someone were to come up to me and speak to me that way. Right, right. Then when you said that I really don't like it and we're going to talk about it right now, huge difference in how we weave our words together. Do I always get that right? No, not even close. Unfortunately, a lot of this has been learning by what not to do. Sure. And sometimes that's that's how we have to learn that. Sometimes the best the best teacher is is problems, mistakes. I think another part of it, too, Nate, real quick, also is knowing the other person well enough, trusting them in relationship to know that whatever they're bringing to me, I know that it's coming from a place of love, right? Like this is my friend or whoever, and I know that they care about me. And so if they have something to talk about and it's serious and maybe even a little bit kind of combative or could be remembering, it's coming from that place of love. Right? They're not out to get you. They're not out to tear you down. They're not saying this to hurt you ideally. Hmm. So. And that also requires humility. Right? Yeah. For us to be able to say I'm teachable. I'm not always right. They have a fair point. I hurt them. I don't want to hurt them. Let me hear them out. So maybe that's where a lot of it gets lost is the defensiveness is pride, isn't it? Yeah. I was going to say, I think part of the problem and I think part of what is so important to remember and that definitely is a struggle for a lot of us will be pride because pride says, I don't deserve to be wronged. I'm always in the right. It's fine what I've done. Like I'm, you know, it's elevating ourself above what we deserve as opposed to humility, which says Maybe I am wrong or maybe something, maybe I didn't do this, how I should have done it. And like humbling yourself or lowering lowering yourself even when it's not deserved, is, as a Christian, what we're supposed to do. Like, you know, Jesus says, when somebody hits you on one cheek turn and give them the other, it's like it's it's not even that we are called to have, like, humility that's like, expected, but it's like humility that's beyond what's expected. Mm hmm. So even when when you are in the right, maybe stepping back and being like, but let me consider the other person. And that's like inherent in the definition of humility, right? Like considering the needs of others above your own or above yourself. Right. And our culture so twisted and it's like so backwards to where when you encounter a humble person, like truly humble, like considering the needs of others before themself, we think of them as well. They just don't have a lot of self-confidence, do they? Like, well, no, they're just humble. And maybe we're not used to seeing that. Right. Maybe humility is something we're not. Just an observation, I guess, but that's kind of funny. Okay, so then let's say that's what happens. Let's say you're in a position and you've got this conflict. You go to the other person. I think the other thing to say right away is go to God with it. Right? Like take some time to pray and bring that something. Say God, I'm struggling with this right now. Like, help me. So here's the question. Do you think it's ever appropriate to then in that. Situation, seek outside counsel as well for advice like let's say you know me and let's just say Pastor Matt because he's not here. And let's say me and Pastor Matt are having some sort of a big, crazy conflict and I'm just like so steamed at him. Can. If I were to go to somebody who maybe doesn't know Matt, maybe somebody I respect their opinion, be like, I need advice on this. Like, how do I handle this situation with my coworker? Mm hmm. Is that acceptable or is that virgin too? Like gossiping? Because now I'm talking about the situation with a third party. I think there are probably safeguards you can put in place where you keep that person's identity very like third party, like saying a coworker or a friend instead of like naming the person. Also, we need to be careful. Does the person you're talking to seeking counsel from, do they know that person and are they going to put two and two together? Because then it very easily becomes, okay. I know new information about this person that Nathan is talking about. Right. I think this is why a lot of church leaders have mentors or accountability. Accountability buddies, kind of bill buddies like that. I think that's why a lot of them have that outside of their local church body, because it's kind of this unaffiliated, you know, neutral objective, neutral person they can go to because we all have issues. Right. Conflict is not conflict is inevitable. Yes, it is inevitable. If you are working, breathing, praying, living this life out, sight, other human beings, we will, you know, rub against each other in a way that sometimes it's rough. Right. Like I think of that verse that talks about how we sharpen one another. I mean, I picture that as not necessarily comfortable. Right. Right. Yeah. No, it's definitely it's tough. And so that will be happening. And so having these, like I think thinking through how you're going to handle into that advance is probably really helpful to avoid because so far, like we've said, it's not it's kind of weird on like a church based podcast to really be talking about this because right at the first level it's just like that's not necessarily even a Christian issue. It's like everybody's going to deal with conflict. But as a Christian, it's so easily can then devolve into bigger problems and bigger sin issues that we need to really be watching for. And so I think having these like methods in place are going to save us from going down into a spot we maybe don't want to go Yeah, you mentioned also taking it to the Lord in prayer. I think really more so than seeking counsel from others. Take it to God first, like Jesus is our ultimate counselor. Right, right. But then take it directly to that person. And again, as I say that, friends, I'm preaching to myself like I. I have struggled with this and I have not always gotten it right. And it stings, corrections, stings. But it's also good, um, because hopefully it leads to growth. Right? And that's the goal. We want to look more and more like Jesus. So when it comes to prayer, also pray for that person that you're in conflict with. I caught myself doing that this morning. I fell asleep really late and then my body was like, We're done sleeping. I woke up super early. I'm like, I'm just laying here. God, who do you want me to pray for? And this person that I've been kind of over the years, we've had conflicts and we love each other dearly. But I was praying for this person and it's like not just praying for them to, you know, see the light and for me to be right and justified. You know, it was like, I'm praying they have a good day. God, I pray you would reveal yourself to them, grow them in some way. May they come back into this situation or, you know, this place, like rejuvenated in you, like praying good things for the person you're in conflict with, which changes your heart, hopefully. I think that that could be a whole might even be a whole other conversation at some point. It's like when we use prayer, it's like passive aggressively attacking somebody or loving your enemies, I think. Right. It's kind of a funny it's kind of a funny thing how that can sometimes happen. But hopefully that's not the heart. Well, you would hope not. The heart is not to do that. So what do you do then? Let's say this conflict has happened. You've gone to God with it, you've gone to the person with it. But it's still there. It's still not getting resolved. What do you think the next step should be? What? What do you do after that? It's not resolved like in your heart. Well, yeah. I mean, I guess it might be helpful if we had like a specific example, but it's like, all right, you are working, you and a coworker. It's like, I think we should require all the input. We're going to go goofy and over the top. I think all employees should be required to wear green on Thursdays and other other courses. I think it should be blue, but it should be green. It should be. And you're just fighting and it's causing a conflict. Okay, so you go to this person, Mag, look, I don't want this conflict to happen. I've been praying about it. You know, we need to find a resolution. And they say and they say, Yeah, the resolution is we do what I want. The conflict doesn't resolve. What do you do next? Like you can't, you've gone to the person you've done to God. What do you do if if the conflict doesn't resolve itself? I mean, I guess you have a couple of choices there because this is not like a sin issue. This is a preference issue. Right. You can do it yourself. It's a beautiful thing. I think that's probably what Jesus would do if it's like a not huge deal. Like what? Hillary, are you going to die on the hill? You're going to die on? And is peace worth it over your preference? Right. Right. So when it's a sin issue, though, I think what's interesting is we often use that verse about where two or more are gathered in my name, Jesus speaking. He's resonant there with us. All right. So that's actually talking about church correction, right? That were a sin issue. I'd say you need to probably pull in another person or two, right? Yeah. On a on a side tangent, that is one of I'd say probably the most misused Bible verses ever. And it's always a big pet peeve of mine when I hear people, because that will be used as like, Oh, you know what, there's two or more of us are gathered in this meeting. So we know, God, that you're here in our presence. And it's like this kind of like uplifting, warm feeling of like, God is here because we have gathered. Which is true, though. Which is that is true, but not from that verse. Also true. If it's just you, right? That verse is not the truth of that statement. What that is talking about. This is why context matters. And in our whole, we missed the episode's all about biblical contradictions. We kept coming back to those go away when you look at the context because the context. So in this instance, the context of that passage is that Jesus says if a brother sends against you, you go to them in private and try to restore it, say, Hey, you have sinned against me, let's forgive and let's move on and let's restore the relationship. Then he says, If that person doesn't listen and they still continue to sin against you, bring another person with you to say, Look, I've brought in like this third party. They can help us. Let's correct this issue because it's a clear sin issue. And if that still doesn't work, then it says bring the whole church into it at that point. And if they're still not listening, if this person's willfully sinning, then they are not to be at your church anymore. Like they need to be asked to leave because. And then Jesus concludes by saying You as a gathered body, when you are gathering in this way and passing judgment in this way, it's as if I were doing it. So are two or three or of you are doing this? It's as if I was there doing that, giving that judgment. That's the context in that verse, which is a very different context and we're way more powerful. Yeah. Phrase it that way. Right. And that's such a different feeling that we normally get from that verse. And, you know, it's such a weird thing, like church discipline. I know this isn't really the topic, but it's something that it almost feels like it doesn't really. Happen in a biblical sense now that it than it used to. And we see throughout Paul's letters he'll talk about like and I've handed this person over to Satan and it's like they were asked to leave the church because they were knowingly sinning and they didn't care. And so Paul would have to say then sorry. And that, like being asked to leave the church is equated for Paul with being handed over to Satan. Like that is a punishment, not being in the connective protection of the church. The idea is if you are removed from that, it's going to lead you to repentance to come back. So if we were to ask somebody to leave our church now, does that such a harsh and difficult thing that they are, that that that makes them really be like, I've got to repent because I can't be away from that group. Yeah, I don't know if we have that now. There's actually so much to that because first there is a church down the street. You get booted out of one, you can just attend another one. Secondly, do you love the local church so much? Need that connection, that encouragement, that equipping the gathering of the saints to you need that so much in your life that you feel that way. Right. Like today's cultural Christian, do they would they feel that way? Yeah. And so it's kind of a crazy thing. And, I mean, I can think of. Once in my that I know in my life where that's had to happen, where there's had to be church discipline on somebody who's like. Where they were like openly sinning and everybody. And we had talked to this person and eventually they were asked to leave the church because it was they didn't care. And it's like, that's hard. And those are hard conversations. And that's a different entirely different type of conflict to deal with. And to be clear, if anyone's listening and you hear that. There's a difference between unrepentant, repeated sin and struggling with your sin, even chronically. Definitely the, you know, denominator there, I guess, would be, are you at war with your sin or not? Right. Because they're a Christian. I mean, we're all going to struggle with something until Jesus comes back. Are we going to be with him? So that is true. It's all it's it's less about the fact that you have sinned because we know everybody sins. Even Paul talked about how much he sins. But it's like, what is our attitude? Is it, man, I messed up, but I'm trying to look to God or is it. Yeah, I don't care. It's whatever. Yeah. And like, that's a very. Oh man, that's a whole other podcast topic. We won't get too far down that tonight. So as we've kind of talked through this, what are like the biggest things that you would say? It's like take away from this conversation if maybe you're struggling at home or at your church or in your workplace, you know, somewhere, if you are listening right now, you are watching us right now. If you're struggling with conflict, the first question I would ask is, is it leading you into something worse? Is it leading you into gossip, bitterness, unforgiveness like anger? And if that's the case, my advice and like you just said, we're preaching to ourselves on this. I'm preaching to myself on this. There's a lot of discussions that have had to happen even in the past week that have made us want to talk about this, that it's like, what do I need to change? Who do I need to apologize to or do I need to repent of so that I can move forward appropriately So that's the first encouragement is like. Looking inward. Look at yourself. But then what else? What would you say to people if they're if they're in the middle of something like this right now? Yeah. A couple of things came to mind. It's again, if you have an issue, take it directly to the Lord and to the person and quickly don't let it fester. Don't let that bitterness take root, because I think Satan, he's our enemy. Right. And he's like a lion just prowling and waiting around for someone to take down. And that's a prime opportunity. We literally give him an opportunity when we're sitting in bitterness and unforgiveness. Again, I do not always get this right as I share this right. He's working on me too. And thank you God that he does. The second thing would be to forgive and to truly forgive and do it quickly. Okay. So I had a Bible teacher tell us once that true biblical forgiveness is not looking at the person and being like, I forgive you, but I'm still kind of looking at you like, Yeah, the stink guy. Oh no. Like, I forgive you, but da da da. And it's in the subtext, right? Yeah. True biblical forgiveness. If we acknowledge what the father has done for us, he has forgiven us. Our our sins are removed. Scripture says, as far as the East is from the West, like incomprehensible mercy from God. Because we know that we don't deserve that. Yeah, we understand that forgiveness from God. We should be quick to extend that to others knowing we deserve nothing. When we sing songs like Amazing Grace. I was a wretch. Yeah. And now I'm free. Holy cow. I just lost that song. Amazing Grace. How sweet the sound Sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me I once was lost But now I'm found was blind. But now I see. There you go. Perfect. So if we really understand the sweetness of that amazing grace, shouldn't we extend that forgiveness quickly? And so this teacher, she compared it to true biblical forgiveness is operating as if the offense never occurred. Hmm. I can be so tough, which is like mind blowingly hard when you have been hurt. So the challenge there is forgiveness in general. If you're in conflict or if you're still sore from conflict, if you're still harboring any of that hurt. And then my second and last encouragement would be, as you've listened to this podcast today, I'm sure someone has come to mind immediately when we bring up this topic. Like if you're in conflict with someone or maybe you're thinking back like ten years ago I had that horrible fight with so-and-so. If someone has come to mind for you today, for me today, go and make it right. Do it quickly. Go straight to that person from a place of love, not pride, like, oh, I'm going to correct them like you. Nobody got time for that. Like, that's not us. We're not doing that from a place of love. Forgive them, forgive quickly. Season your words with grace. Because again, it's coming from that place of love, right? So that's the challenge. I'm go make it right. Well, let's move on to my favorite segment. Hey, I always love this. This is funny. Again, if you maybe you don't even need the sponsors anymore, but if you have any prompts that you want us to ask, even if you're not sponsoring us at this point, just email podcast at church dot com and you may get your prompt live reacted to by my guest today is Alexis. So here's the prompt I made. I custom made this prompt just for you, Alexis. Oh, yeah. Here. Here's what I asked it. I said give. All right. So I asked Jackie Beatty, give me the top 1080 songs that would be used as theme songs of famous Bible stories. Right. That's awesome. Isn't that fun? I love it. All right. So here's all I do. I'm going to I'm going to tell you the Bible story and use you see if you can guess which theme song would go with it. And I'll tell you what, Jackie Beatty came with it. Okay. That sound, that's it's like I'm with you. It's a little more exciting. It's a number ten, the theme song for the story of the Wise Men Seeking Jesus. What is an 80 song that could be their theme song. I'll give you the. Let me give you a band name. Yeah, probably U2. I don't know. I mean, I want to say I still haven't found what I'm looking for because they're searching for baby Jesus. I love this so much. Okay, number nine. Theme song for the story of the prodigal son. Um. Let's see. This is a good one, too. And if it's too hard to guess, I can just tell you what it gave us. Theme song for Guns N Roses Come Home. Oh, I didn't not. I don't listen to that. No, but you know this song. It's the favorite cover of your sweet child of mine. Sweet child of mine. I see. Yeah, that works. Right. Okay. I don't know this next song. Maybe I do. Number eight is the theme song for the story of the Good Samaritan. The band is USA for Africa. The song is We Are the World. We are the world. That's our song, right? Yeah. The children, you know, for the Good Samaritan, though, but for the good. I don't know that song well enough. I know those two lines are so go. We are the ones who make a brighter day. So let's not given. Given. So is it about helping people? Yeah, definitely. Samaritan. Okay, that makes sense. Loosely. Loosely. I don't understand why they picked this one. I loved the song choice. The theme song for the story of Noah and the Ark would be Don't Stop Believin by Journey. What? I don't know. Because maybe you're waiting for the rain to end. Don't stop believin. I can just picture them singing it. This one's weird, too. Theme song for the story of Jonah. Every breath you take. Okay. It's. It's playing a little fast and loose with things. Right. But because he's trying to. The whale is taking a breath in, and that's I don't know. All right. This next one is kind of fun. Theme song for the Battle of Jericho. The Queen said, Shout, shout. Let it all been a good one. Tears for fears. Tears for fears. This is my queen. What do you think? Something about shouting. We will rock you. Oh, we're going to do now that. I like that. That's terrible. That could also be the theme song for the story of the woman cotton adultery. And also David and Goliath. And David and Goliath. We've got one for David and Goliath. I don't know how it. Okay, this one's weird to another queen song, the theme song for the story of Exodus from Egypt. Of the Exodus from Egypt. Maybe this is about the final plague. Another one bites the dust, man. It started out so strong, and now I'm just sort of sad. But those are still good. That works, right? Yeah. What about the theme song for the story of Mary Magdalene? Every way. Now we have to do that one. I don't know this. I don't know this one. It's by Madonna. Like a prayer. See, I don't know how that fits. How does that song go? Just like a prayer. Your voice will take me there. Just like it means me. You are a mystery. Just like a dream. You are not what you seem. It totally works. Okay. Voice No. Joyce can take me there. Well, I know a lot more of that song than I am. Amazed. Number two, the theme song for the story of Daniel in the lion's den. We didn't start the fire. No. There. Not in the night of the fiery furnace. Oh, I love that. No, no. The lion's den. Alexis. Oh. Bon Jovi. I don't listen. Okay, so, like eighties rock? Not as much, but you know this song. I don't know. I don't know. It has to. Maybe it's because you're afraid that you're going to die. Livin on a prayer. Oh, yeah. There you go. Okay, number one, the theme song for the story of David and Goliath. I don't know why. Oh, yes, I do. This is actually pretty perfect. All right. Let's hear it. Demanding and then getting anything and get to take it down. Don't don't. To Eye of the Tiger by Survivor as the theme song for the Story of David and Goliath. It's the eye of the tiger. It's the thrill of the fight rising up to the challenge of our rival. And the last known survivor stocks his prey in the night. And he's watching us all with the eye. So those are your 80 songs. If you wanted an 80 soundtrack to the Bible, those are the songs you would use. We're going to I'm listening to the Wrong 80. Let's wrap it up with a couple emails that came in. Again, you two can email podcast at the church dot com to have your email read right here on the podcast. The question is how do we measure a contrite spirit or humility in ourselves and others? Moses was the most humble man, but he wrote it so was he not prideful? How do we post to social media while maintaining our right spirit? Mm. So too, there's a couple of things there. I'm going to put the second one off a little bit because we have our special guest who's coming up soon who might be a perfect person to ask that too. So episode 50, we're going to save that question for them. But in general, how do we measure humility? And like he says, you know, Moses wrote down that Moses was the most humble man. Maybe that was an after note by Joshua and that Moses didn't write that part of it. But either way, how do we put like metrics on humility? First of all, in one or two sentences. Tell me, Alexis, I don't like this question. Oh, wait, why? I think dude know and I don't mean to imply that is a bad question. It's just it's a tough one because a very tough one. We can look at the fruit of a life, but we can't understand the motives. Right. Like God alone is the one who sees and can judge clearly. Right. And so in Christian circles, I've heard it before. I mean, even people against one another be like, well, that's a false humility. I'm like, Bro, how do you know what's false or not? Like you don't know. That's between them and the Lord, right? I suppose you could look at fruit. Okay. Does like their words line up with their actions? Are they consistently humble? Like, are they? I don't know. And the other part, I think this is why I don't like this question. I love that questions are coming in, though. Please keep asking them and it gets us to think and have great conversations like this. But why are we evaluating that? Well, what if it's in like an internal or a personal sense? Like, how do I let's say let's not evaluate it in another person's life. Okay. But even internally, how do I measure that if I'm being humble without being like, yeah, I'm really good at being humble and now making it that I'm not. Right. Is there or is there a way is there a way to measure humility internally? Oh, yeah. Like becoming prideful. That's great. Just how you can turn the question that's going to go. But is there an answer? Again, it's between you and God. Are you teachable? Are you willing to receive correction? Do you acknowledge that you're not always right? You don't always have the answer. You're not always awesome. You know, I think that's probably a pretty I again, considering the other the needs of others above yourself. Do you do that? That would be a great biblical way to see if you're acting in humility. Hmm. Well, I think that is about all the time we have for it. Oh, wait. Can I do a quick shout out real quick? We're going to do a quick shout out real quick. Back to you, Alexis. Quick shout out to our producer for today, Tucker Smith, who is here helping out with the podcast. He's been here a couple of times now. And I just want to let you know, we are thankful for you. We love you. Thank you for taking your time to be here. That matters. So we appreciate you. It's true. Tucker. Tucker, you are awesome. Thank you again for rock star today. You are a rock star. And you know what? You are going to be leaving us in August and it's we're going to miss you. So I'm trying not to think about it. I know we're going to have to we're going to there's an asterisk next to that. He might be leaving in August. Maybe it'll get delayed. Fingers crossed. But you know what? We actually are going to have a chance in a few weeks to have Tucker on the episode as well as as a special guest. So look forward to that. Although that means you're going to be a producer that day, Alexis. Yeah, sweet. We should actually probably so that when he leaves, if you want to help us fill in as a producer as well, that would be really helpful. This is different than this is different than it has to be. And now that we've added video. All right. Well, that's all the time we have for you today. 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